Part I Karen Carreño
6. November 2009 - 6:50 — camilo
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Beautiful latina girl. She is from Colombia, and I believe she haves 22 years old. She was guess model.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCt8XzyEsoI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4vamukiMnA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md2IiaxWgSI
She can look so sexy and
She can look so sexy and sweet at the same time.
She's gorgeous! She has
She's gorgeous! She has nice, long fingers too. In the second youtube clip, if you freeze the frame you can see that her ring finger is longer than her index finger. Studies have revealed that men and women who's ring finger is longer than their index finger, received more testosterone when they were developing in the womb. Men usually have longer ring fingers compared to their index fingers and women usually have ring and index fingers of equal length. In this case, her square jaw is probably partly to do with slightly elevated testosterone levels. However, her testosterone levels would be well within the normal range for women, nowhere near the levels required to make a woman look manly. It's the slightly above average level that can lead to a beautiful jawline, without verging into the manly scale.
Interesting. My index finger
Interesting. My index finger is equal length/slightly longer than my ring finger; however, I have the squarest face of any woman I know. Are you sure there's a correlation?
Again, I don't believe that
Again, I don't believe that high testosterone has an impact on the squareness of the jaw: testosterone might increase bone prominence, but will not make the jaw square and the plan horizontal.
ABC, would you mind posting pictures of yourself, or sending them to sendto@womenlargejaw.com ?
Cordially,
Ron
It depends on what you mean
It depends on what you mean by square. I was not referring to all types of square jaws being caused by higher levels of testosterone. Sometimes the squareness can be in part down to larger masseter muscles, which can be influenced by test levels, as can the length of the mandibular ramus. In this case, her masseter muscles are quite prominent. Her chin is well developed and square also, which is also often caused by higher test levels. So, she has the type of square jaw that may indicate that she had above average test levels, prenatally or during puberty. Her 2D:4D ratio certainly suggests this being the case prenatally but that doesn't necessarily correlate to higher pubertal test levels. Let's just say that higher test levels can be a contributary factor towards squareness, if other genetic factors are present and it would produce a particular type of square jaw. However, this type of jaw on it's own is not a masculine feature. The level of masculinity depends on several facial measurements and the ratios between them. Cheekbone Prominence (ChP), Jaw Height/Lower Face Height (JH/LFH), Lower Face Height/Face Height (LFH/FH), and Face Width/Lower Face Height (FW/LFH). I'm not going to start taking measurements of her face but from my own eye's, her overall facial appearance is very feminine but slightly below the mean for femininity in certain aspects, which complements her face and stops it from looking weak.
Hi, for square jaw I'm
Hi,
for square jaw I'm referring to the angle of the jaw from the side view, and the Frankfurt mandibular plane.
I doubt these factors are determined by testos. Genetic factor (non testos related) and optimal orthodontic structure play a greater role, as extreme square/ non square jaws (as defined above) are found independently from sexes.
Bone prominence and muscularity is another story and can be directly related to testos. I'm not relating specifically to the model of this thread who may have bathed in slightly higher testo level.
In which case, we are
In which case, we are agreed.
Well, I have posted a few,
Well, I have posted a few, but I'm not sure they show off my jaw very well. I know I should take a few more (some more revealing ones), but I tend to shy away from the camera. I will though, in the new year.
My ring finger is waaaay
My ring finger is waaaay longer than my pointing finger and I am the girliest of girly girls you will know!!! Also, I have pretty large breasts which equals higher estrogen so how is that supposed to make me more manly? How many men with boobs do you know?
As I said before, Nenaa, a
As I said before, Nenaa, a longer ring to index finger ratio only means that you received higher than average testosterone levels in the womb. It does not necessarily mean that you had high testosterone levels during puberty, when your breasts grew. The jaw also tends to grow most in mid to late puberty, around 15 to 18 years old. Also, it is possible to have higher than average test levels as well as adequate estrogen levels, so both test and estrogen sensitive tissues can grow in the same period.
I'm not sure why you're being so defensive about not being manly. As I already said, higher than average test levels does not mean that a woman will be more manly. It is perfectly normal for some women to have above average levels, just as some women will have below average levels. Virilization or masculinization of a woman's face requires abnormally high levels of test. The gap between such levels and average levels is very large. Almost all women with above average levels will be far below the threshold for masculization to take place. I have seen your pictures and I see no evidence for abnormally high levels of test, your facial features are on the whole very feminine. You may have had, or even still have, above average levels of test but that is perfectly normal, it does not mean that you are more manly.
Well, i guess im being
Well, i guess im being defensive because when i read ur post about the longer ring finger... I checked my fingers and realized my ring finger is longer... I guess I was just trying to disprove the connotation between long ring finger = manly
Ha ha ha ! very interesting
Ha ha ha ! very interesting discussion. For me, it has nothing to do with masculinization or feminization. Rather it has something to do with self concept, which is either strong or weak. If have a strong concept, comments seems against your self concept cannot shake. But if you have a low self concept, you become very sensitive. Forget about testosterone, hormone, or whatever mones if there any, that only make life difficult. Live a simple life. Live with a strong self concept, large jaw or not.